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u/Rokkmann 40m ago
Nah. People just suck at budgeting and managing money. They let social media pressure them into spending money on shit they shouldn't, just because their friends are making the same idiotic choices. Instead of keeping a budget and living within their means, people want to experience what others are experiencing and sending the money they should be saving.
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u/SnarkyGrem 14m ago
Facts... Went from $0 to multiple properties owned in last 5 years. People acting like there isn't a ton of opportunity out here in the USA
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u/SportMotor9892 50m ago
every body is a victim these days
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u/Micahmattson 1h ago
Bad choices with your money and expecting minimum wage skills is how to make a living, combine to put you in a bad spot.
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u/NeverGonnaGiveuDowns 46m ago
I literally had my job yoinked from me due to AI bullshit. I studied for years to get into the field. The fuck you got to tell me? That I need to learn something else with my low ass paycheck? Fuck off.
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u/Rokkmann 37m ago
Yes. What are you gonna do? Just give up? I get being upset by it, but acting like you're out of options isn't going to help. Or you could just tell people who have made better choices and are offering a helping opinion to fuck off like you're a petulant child.
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u/NeverGonnaGiveuDowns 25m ago
Giving up isnāt an option. My options are currently:
Have pentesting skills that I canāt use and get told by some fat bitch living in his moms basement that I am stupid because āAI coolā.
Use those pentesting skills for black market activities that share that basement dwellers pii for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hospitals and governments have terrible security. Whatās stopping my morality from just going away and just starting to ruin peoples lives for my benefit? Seems like your bitch ass doesnāt mind setting it aside:
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u/WntrTmpst 47m ago
Iām so tired of pretending people like you deserve common respect.
Dig a hole, jump in it, and never come back out
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u/ShoutN2TheVoid 48m ago
Newsflash buddy: youāre supposed to be able to live on minimum wage. Thatās what itās for.
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u/LivingCorner1421 1h ago
the reward is you don't live in the streets pussy
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u/Iamthegreenheather 1h ago
How's that $6 a gallon diesel going for you? You'll probably live in your truck soon.
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u/KamikaziWerewolf 1h ago
Slaves get basic food and housing until they no longer generate profits for the bourgeoisie.
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u/INTERNET-STRANG3R 1h ago
Have you even tried not eating avocado toast?! Also you can make coffee at home.
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u/ChickeNugget483 1h ago
I stopped eating Avocado toast 3 months ago and i just paid of my student loans with the money i saved.
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u/Acaligo42 2h ago
"No saving for retirement" Then wtf is 15% of my paycheck going to? Or do you guys just not have 401k options? Hell even mcdonalds offers a 401k
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u/Iamthegreenheather 1h ago
I don't know anyone that isn't a Boomer/older Gen X that could afford to save 15% each paycheck.
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u/Academic_Flatworm752 1h ago
In reality, the paycheck to paycheck statistics include people who save for retirement and have emergency funds and even take vacations - they just donāt have anything left after each paycheck is spent & saved.
So the OP is an exaggeration.
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u/wildbriarroses 36m ago
This is the dumbest shit Iāve read so far. No, thatās not how paycheck to paycheck works either. You donāt get retirement. You donāt get savings. You pay bills, get grocers and pray youāve got enough to get you to the next paycheck. Vacations and emergencies my ass. Not in this economy!
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u/Swampassed 2h ago
Oh look another wahhhhhh post.
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u/Tucolair 2h ago
Says the CHUD who cries over trans people existing and Black characters in his favorite nostalgia-slop shows.
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
Most of yall never really been poor and probably make way above the poverty line. You just have bad spending habits and too arrogant/victim minded to admit it. I grew up in the poorest class of people, I used to have to eat generic pantry cornflakes while watching pbs cooking shows. Money was so tight when I started working I was much more equipped with actually managing a budget. People I work with think im rich sometimes because of it. But it speaks to how comfortable people live in the US without even really realizing.
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u/Iamthegreenheather 1h ago
Let me guess, you vote republican too? "Ya'll" need to realize that you're voting against your best interest while dragging the rest of us down with you. You're the worst type of people.
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u/The_Mannikin 48m ago
I live in Cleveland(check my profile). My vote quite literally doesn't matter here, the entire city is Blue. But ill agree, I did vote republican in the past several elections (but im not a republican at all, in fact the party loyalty shit is low iq imo). My city has been democrat for decades and as an adult I actually watched countless democrats in my city literally turn this city to shit, crippled the population, mismanagement funds, increase taxes, sell the community out to corporations, and even more. Neither side is good, being loyal to a fucking color is pretty stupid.
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u/CagedReality3 2h ago
"I used to have to eat generic pantry cornflakes" š¤£š¤£š¤£ bro really thought he said something
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
I did, it speaks to actual poverty which none of you privledge clowns actually know about. Next thing you're gonna call yourselves is modern day slaves. While uou type from a phone that costs 1,000$ str8 goofball. Being poor isnt some fad you use to justify your terrible budgeting. I get it though, clowns like you hide their comment and post history because you'd get exposed real quick.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago
You a clown. I used to sleep in a bathtub because of stray bullets. Corn flakes lmaooooo corny af
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Lmao thats because you lived in a 3rd world country, the topic at hand is america. Nobody has to sleep in bathtubs here goofball. Stay on topic. Poor in Brazil isnt the only type of poor. Poor in certain countries in Africa won't even have a bathtub to sleep in, does that mean you weren't poor either compared to them? It's all subjective to the country. Poor in the US is below 20k per year household income, you dont have to be living like a fucking Brazilian bum to be considered Poor here.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago
Lmao triggered your hoe ass. I'll pull up in your hood right now but you'd be too scared to do the sameššššš
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
When youre in Cleveland i will show your scary ass around the city. I forgive you.take you to the nice parts of town and the rougher areas so you can get some good food. Just let me know cha cha.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago
Shoot I'm down. I was in 50s hood not too long ago. Y'all Americans can't scare us period.
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u/The_Mannikin 51m ago
Again, ill help you out seriously if you need a job you gotta leave canda though. Its no bueno. We love Latinos in my city and they work hard. But you gonna have to drop the clown shit because you'd get fucked up real quick here thinking Brazil is the only dangerous place.
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u/magnolia_br 48m ago
I'll give you a shout if I can make it down bruh. Us Latinos love black people too. You're right about Brazil not being the only dangerous place. I know Philly & other cities got some areas. I bet Cleveland does too. I was just being antagonistic. But yeah we work hard bro.
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u/CagedReality3 1h ago
Buddy eating generic corn flakes while watching TV is not poverty š. Damn you're dense.
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Tell me, what is poverty? We quite literally were, by definition, impoverished. We lived on government assistance, we ate pantry food(you clearly dont know what the pantry is but ill tell you, in actual poor communties churches amd other community centers give out free food that was donated to them and the food is either expired or near expired, poor people nicknamed these places "the pantry"). A TV doesn't mean youre not poor, literal homeless people have TVs lol like make some sense here. I actually was homeless several times and changed schools 1-2 times a year. So please explain to me what poverty looks like because I was wearing hand me down Jordan's from my little cousin who was a girl(im a guy).
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u/EvenTheMoonIsLeaving 2h ago
Talkin bout eating generic cornflakes while you watch TV. Yea, you're in touch.
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
Lmao you think poor peoppe cant afford tvs? Lmao none of you have ever been poor a day in your lives and it shows. Even on everybody hates Chris they had tvs come on yall cant be this clown like. Now what did happen is the lights got cut sometimes and we had to burn candles and shit or the water got cut and we had to bath at the local recreation center and get buckets of water from neighbors. But an old TV wasn't some unaffordable thing in the 90s for poor people lol. This shows me how retarded most people are nowadays.
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u/Jimmycocopop1974 2h ago
And your corporate American overlords approve!!!
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
Im a civil servant, i dont work for corporate America i literally work for my community below the wage that I should be making(my city pays contractors 10-15$ per hour more for the same jobs when we are backlogged and also ive gotten plenty of offers for a higher salary in the private sector but I prefer job security rather than higher income).
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u/Jimmycocopop1974 1h ago
And you think your civil servant career isnāt based off of a corporate America spreadsheet lol the whole country is ran that way from the military right down to the guy that pumps gas if itās still a thing.
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Lol no, i work with a public resource. I love my job because its independent of all that nonsense. Lol. The most that they do is funnel money or give a little break to the large corps but my specific industry is untouchable because its a natural resource that cannot be molested. The private sector has absolutely zero say in how my industry is run and its acrually some seriously tough regulations around it(ill give you a hint. The regulations are so tough its actually illegal to talk badly about it as a government official, hence Obama took that fake sip in flint). I come down hard on corps(verifiable through public record) at every chance, I cut no breaks. But I also know the numbers, just like the rich pay majority of the taxes, in my industry commercial accounts generate most of the revenue as well so its give amd take.
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
Nope. From the hood in Brasil. Speak for yourself.
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
We're speaking English in this post so its safe to assume that most people here aren't from Brazil. If youre truly from Brazil and live in the US now I find it hard to believe that you think the US is unaffordable as a resident, most immigrants feel like we have shit easy here and access to stuff is abundant and the ability to make money is also much higher, which I agree with. Places like Brazil are so full of corruption you cant really compare them to the US because theyre essentially a 3rd world country compared to the US.
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u/Lower-Engineering365 2h ago
Ok, so is your standard that as long as people are not currently living in poverty it doesnāt matter if they are unable to ever afford a house or much else other than barely scraping by for rent and utilities and basic groceries? Seems like not a great standard.
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
No thats not my standard nor do I agree that poverty means you cant afford a house or much other things. Again I grew up more poor than most people, I stayed poor until my low to mid 20s, and even then i was just barely kissing middle class earnings, just enough to owe uncle Sam but not enough to have a bunch of money left over.
Alot of people are very uneducated/ignorant to the vast resources available if you are truly poor. Most people dont even have their own gardens(truly poor people of older generations HAD TO have a garden). Most people aren't going to food pantries, shopping at aldis and dollar tree, catching public transport, riding a bike, etc.
Imo if youre not doing these things then you simply aren't poor or struggling, youre just mismanaging your money plain and simple. I lived downtown Cleveland in a prominent highrise when I was young and got a decent job. I could barely afford it, but I made ends meet by using yhe previously mentioned methods(shopping at dollar tree, aldis, using oubkic transport, etc.) I knew then if I could manage to live there for 2 years on my measly 40-45k salary then I would be able to live pretty much anwhere (this was back in 2018/19, my monthly expenses was almost $2k, and I only brought home like 2.5-3k, so if I fucked up my budgeting my ass was grass).
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u/FitMathematician3655 2h ago
100% - Itās blame themselves, or blame the system. They choose to blame the system
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
2 things can be true. I think the system is obviously rigged, but alot of poor people also remain poor minded, meaning they think like poor people which keeps them poor. This applies to investments, sacrifices, budgets, expenses, etc. Look at the stores in poor communties, look at where poor people spend most of their money, I literally live in one of yhe poorest and most violent areas in my city so I see it first hand. Its hard to see the forest when youre in the trees
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u/Jimmycocopop1974 2h ago
Lmao the system is rigged my friend
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
Then play the game like the ruling class, think like the ruling cast and it becomes so much easier to forecast for the future and budget and invest
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u/Goodknight808 2h ago
It is rigged only the ruling class gets to win big. Hence, rigged.
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Again, play like the ruling class and you too will win big. Ive done it it works flawlessly. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different result. Understand every conflict is rooted in money or pussy or both and you will be able to navigate the system much easier.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago
You're not the ruling class bruh sorry. Are you part of the top 0.1%? Are you worth billions? Were you born rich & famous? You have a good point but you're delusional. And you trash talked Brazil when you know you'd be scared for your life in a REAL poor countryš
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Lmao we're hiding in bathtubs. My street is one of the most dangerous streets in the city. Gun shots and murders everyday when I grew up, so kuch so that I was so desensitized that I had to actually go to therapy to learn to have empathy. People like you hid, people like me were taught to grab their gun and shoot back because people died. Youre really a clown. I'll tell you right now, and its easy to verify I live in Cleveland in one of the most damgerous parts. They Brazil is dangerous yeah, but its because your population is so fucking poor they can't even afford to defend themselves. Any Brazilian who came to america with that same energy would be killed within a week guaranteed because in the US EVERYBODY IS ARMED goofball. I thought you went to college, you should know this.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago
Lmao broooo Cleveland? Stoppppppp I can't stop laughing. I think the richest neighborhood in my city is more dangerous. And guess what, we're also all strapped goofy. Even the poorest crackhead will take you out over here, or you think we don't have the world's highest # of murders a year for reason?
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
Oooor we could completely change the way we view & operate as a civilization while getting rid of the ruling class.
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
What if the system is to blame then?
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u/The_Mannikin 2h ago
Both are. But what people need to understand is the power of numbers. Tou. Ant be upset with a system that you actively participate in just because you aren't good at playing the game.
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
Good at playing the game? I have a CS degree & resume that outshines >90% of people. It's about not wanting to play the 'game' in the first place. We need a revolution
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Yall just be talking fr. You want a revolution huh? Who gonna fight it for you? You have any skills that can help during a revolution? Can you grow your own food? Do you have any weapon experience? Can you make any mechanical repairs? Can you design any infrastructure unrelated to technology? Can you raise/ care for animals/livestock? Do you know any Pest control techniques? Do you know how to hunt? I can say yes to ALL of those questions and more. Idgaf about a degree, i give af about tangible skills that are irrelaplaceable. I also dont care about a resume, my resume outshine 90% of people as well, but what is your actual value to society(how long would it take your employer to replace you, for me it would take them a year to fill the position but at least 10-25 years before they have the actual knowledge and skill that they had with me) and what actually is your plan on solving yhe issue? Im currently working to help my POOR community learn to garden and grow their own foods, not just asking for a revolution not realizing a revolution will cull alot of the weak who quite literally cant fight.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yes, yes, and yes to basically every question. Like I said, I'm poor from Brasil, I know how to get things done. I also know how to use firearms. Revolution now. I'm not talking I stand on bizness
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago edited 1h ago
Then go to YOUR home country and talk that shit. Your country needs a revolution more than ours. you should be educating and helping your country's communtiy, you really don't understand the dynamics nor the history of this country as a foreigner who fled their country because it was a shithole. A computer science degree doesn't make you an American economics specialist nor does it make you educated enough to push for a revolution in a country you have no real stake in. I could give 2 shits what happens in Brazil, i know they have corruption, I know theyre super poor, and I know its dangerous in certain parts. Either way, Brazil is irrelevant to US for the most part outside of produce if im being honest.
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u/magnolia_br 1h ago
I understand more about the racial dynamics and history of your own country than you ever will bruh, as a mixed race educated Brazilian. I'll talk that shit wherever I want to bruh. What are you gonna about it? Nothing. Pussy ahh talking about I fled my country and insulting it while you're fighting for Israel lmao
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u/The_Mannikin 1h ago
Lmao I knew i would trigger you. Go back to the favelas and save your people tough guy. You're not scaring an American with your scooter robberies lol. Talk whatever you want me and you both know you arent tough Mr. COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE. Lol. You only know what they taught you in that garbage as university, whichever that is(if the university was any good they would've taught you that the GDP of the US is 10x the size of Brazil). You grow our soybeans for our corporate products and you provide a backup of oil and ore when we want to go into conflict with other nations. Focus on your countries problems you are in fact not educated enough to speak on any US problems with me despite having a CS degree thats quite literally irrelevant to the conversation(and likely fabricated to try to garner more validity to your position through the appeal to authority fallacy).
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u/SQLofFortune 2h ago
Then if you ever get to buy a house youāll pay an extra 50% of home homeās value in interest. Plus on top of that theyāll take your house from you if you get laid off and canāt make the payments anymore. This system was created by a specific group of people by the way. It was created by the tiny hat wearers who view us all as cattle sent by god to work for them.
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u/EatMiTits 1h ago
Ok then feel free to save up the full price of the home first. The 30 year mortgage, created after WWII, increased home ownership rates from like 35-40% to well over 60%. It has been an enormous boon to the middle class of this country. But sure, just blame the Jews for all your problems and spout bullshit online about things you donāt remotely understand.
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u/Lower-Engineering365 2h ago
I mean, yeah thatās the way a loan works. Certainly there are predatory lenders, and those are bad, but most mortgage loans arenāt predatory as they are pegged to the interest rate of the US 10 year treasury bond. How else do you think buying a home you canāt afford with all cash should work?
Also, most mortgage lenders donāt foreclose when you get laid off. Itās quite literally not in their interest (no pun intended). They donāt want to be seizing the collateral and then have to deal with the process of selling it at a discount in a foreclosure sale just to recoup some but not all of the loan. They WANT you to continue to hold the property and make interest payments, thatās how they make money. If youāre laid off it will usually be awhile before they actually foreclose on the houseā¦especially if youāre communicating with them. Obviously youāll have to backpay things later but they usually donāt foreclose for some time.
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u/mathman5046 2h ago
Wouldn't that motivate you to make more money.
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u/dimmak 57m ago
It motivated me to make more money and I have been fortunate to do so, but I would much prefer communities have a minimum wage that could cover living expenses and raising a family on a single income.
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u/mathman5046 7m ago
They just have to do what you did, if they can't that's on them. It's there choice is how I see it, they are choosing not to advance their position in this life, and the consequences of that is their problem not yours and mine. And minimum wage does cover that in most states, definitely not a premium lifestyle, but it meets basic necessities.
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u/mathman5046 2h ago
I got to be honest, this is hilarious lol, but in all seriousness I've never been without work, so I don't really know what that's like. But I got a honest question, is it really that hard for you to find a job?
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u/Alita-Gunnm 1h ago
There are people fresh out of college who have applied for over a thousand jobs. Many job listings are fake these days, so the company can look like it's expanding to attract venture capitalists.
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
That could be part of it, I'd like to know the breakdown of the people with type of degree applied for x amount of jobs before they landed one, cause to be fair it isn't really fair if some one goes and gets a art degree at a liberal arts college, and then they go shit I can't get a job, that's on them. For making a bad decision.
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u/m3gb0t 1h ago
Yes. And if you do, the pay is not respective of the actual cost of living including housing, groceries, gas, etc.
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
Where do you live? It must be so different there then my area.
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u/m3gb0t 1h ago
Most people in this country don't live in your area...
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
Very true, but are you immune to moving to where the work/livable wage is?
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u/m3gb0t 1h ago
Most people don't want to uproot their families and children. Many people want to be around their family and established friends, and do not want to move to get a job. Most people do not want to have to start over and form a completely new social circle and find new supporta. Many people have responsibilities that they cannot leave such as caregiving for a relative. Do you really not understand this?
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
Is that why most people don't have a job then, because they are to scared to move to a place that has a livable job? Like if it really ain't working where you are at? Why wouldn't you be willing to make a move? Like if the option is stay here and die, versus moving to live, why wouldn't you choose to move?
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u/Fickle-Bobcat-1678 1h ago
What makes you think people that are broke have the money to move somewhere else?
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u/elolqooq 2h ago
Have you been living under a rock?
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
No I've been at work, and that's not me trying to be an asshole, I started a business last year, and before that I was a lead tradesmen and salesmen for a company. But it just can't be that hard to get and keep a job for most people. I employ 4 people and am hiring and there is a ton of other people hiring in my area, I understand it may be different where you are located at. But from my reality, it really isn't that hard to get a keep a job.
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u/elolqooq 1h ago
"It just can't be that hard." What a brilliant response. You know what? You're right. I'll go tell that to the tens of thousands my company just laid off, and while I'm at it, I'll tell it to all the other companies across my industry doing the same. So easy.
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u/Odd-Branch6940 1h ago
How could you start a business and not know about the state of the economy? The job market was not great before COVID and has only gotten worse since then now we are suffering through the widespread use of AI. Itās even competitive to get a crappy service industry job in a lot of places at this point.
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
Best option for me to make the most with the resources I had available to me, and yea economy may be slow but that doesn't mean there isn't money to be made. Everyone talks about corporations price gouging and what not, just go compete with them, I'm not saying it's easy, I'm saying it's possible, exponentially more possible if they are truly price gouging. And the AI thing may force people who are used to easy jobs to forge a new career path.
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u/Odd-Branch6940 56m ago
I wasnāt asking you for advice I was asking how you could not know the state of the economy. I can understand what you said to be technically true but on a larger scale youāre ignorant to the economy and to the fact that not all hard working people succeed because life isnāt fair.
You had a set of circumstances that worked out for you and you worked hard and deserve credit, but some of that success is also based on privilege. This is an economic system that only works if there is poverty. Itās a feature not a design flaw. It makes me roll my eyes when you just tell everyone to abandon the system that should have been a safety net and find new ways to make money.
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u/mathman5046 22m ago
The US may not be equally opportunity but it is equally rewarding. And you are right I had a set of circumstances that was about average, I didn't have any huge opportunities that I didn't make myself, but I also didn't have anyone dragging me down a long the way. If you think I'm ignorant then so be it, but I would disagree that poverty is a feature, I would say it's a choice or the result of other bad decisions in a person's life, usually compounding effects of bad lifestyle decisions. And the only safety net in this life is you, who told you that this life has a safety net?
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u/Odd-Branch6940 12m ago
Okay you lost me at poverty is a choice. Crack a fucking book dude.
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u/dimmak 1h ago
What was your hourly wage before you started a business?
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
28.00 ish per hour and then I got commissions from the sales side of things. We have a payscale at my new company starts at 22.00 and goes to 35.00. I also live in a low cost of living area.
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u/m3gb0t 1h ago
If you know that you live in A low cost of living area, why are you acting like where you live is typical of the US?
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
Im not, Im just saying it is and that relevant when talking wages like we were above.
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u/Oakwood313 1h ago
True, minimum wage in West Virginia is 7.25, just come here and get a job. Easy
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u/mathman5046 1h ago
Is 7.25 posted on job listings there? And how many people actually work that minimum wage out of curiosity?
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u/Oakwood313 57m ago
We own a convenient store. We start out at 12. Nobody will work for 7.25. I donāt blame them.
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u/gameover281997 2h ago
Unionization is the only way
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u/Acaligo42 1h ago
It is, however we wouldent be able to respect it. How many guys do you see at a union road construction site actually working? My buddy who was union would brag for months how he gets paid more than me (same job field) AND works maybe 3 hours out of his 8 hour shift. Somebody has to get screwed over somewhere.
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u/gameover281997 1h ago
There will always be some bad apples in the bunch. A majority of unions are fair. There will always be a few that ruin the rep for others, but itās usually fair because they donāt want the business to go under and everybody loses their jobs.
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u/Acrobatic_Insect4005 2h ago
Thatās literally how itās always been for people entering the work force. Most of us couldnāt afford anything at first: a house, a nice car that didnāt break down, a social life. No savings, paycheck to paycheck. Then after years of plugging away, the savings was built up, the house payments were afforded, and we could get a nicer vehicle. This is nothing new: the older generations you see able to purchase these items went through the same struggles. Keep the faith
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u/Every-Claim2488 2h ago
Yeah, salaries are following the cost increaseā¦ hahaha, what planet are you living on?
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u/simulated_copy 2h ago
In 2025, the U.S. median household income remained stable atĀ approximatelyĀ $83,730, showing no significant real change from 2024, according to theĀ Census Bureau's 2025 Annual Social and Economic Supplement. Weekly earnings for full-time workers in early 2025 averagedĀ $1,204, with the median for men ($1,326) higher than for women ($1,089).Ā
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u/Senior_Ad1298 2h ago
Bruh I wish I was the median so bad. Iām half that and I work full time and make three times the fed minimum. I think Iām gonna join the military just to get benefits and the academic support.
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u/Lumpy-Connection-281 3h ago
not me
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u/Wooden_Credit4577 2h ago
How are you smart enough to make good money but dumb enough not to see the middle class is disappearing
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u/Lumpy-Connection-281 2h ago
because i still live with my parens and dont pay rent
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u/m3gb0t 2h ago
That's privalege.
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u/Lumpy-Connection-281 2h ago
im aware. im a privileged troll and i love it #blessed
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
You'll love it even more when your parents are gone and you're looking for grief support, you pathetic child. Your trolling days are numbered lololol
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u/Lumpy-Connection-281 2h ago
š¤” jealousy is a hell of a drug š¤”
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
Jealous of a clown and a child? I prefer speaking Japanese, French, my travel history, etc. Keep your 4ch life
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u/magnolia_br 2h ago
Why would I be jealous of someone less attractive, with less money, travel experience or life experience?the emoji describes you
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u/1inchAT100mph 3h ago
Me either
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u/Lumpy-Connection-281 3h ago
broke ass mfs. get you money up you fat lazy slobs
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u/qornbred 2h ago
By your own admission, Mommy still buys your chickie nuggies. Why don't you have a seat, bud.
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u/ocrohnahan 3h ago
Time to stop buying shit. Stop giving money to Apple. Stop buying cars, fix your shit and keep it going.
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u/Dont_touch_my_spunk 2h ago
Lmao bro everything has gone up. Not just luxury goods. Basic assets and basic needs are becoming unaffordable
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u/Strange-Average5444 2h ago
Should we just buy motorcycles then? You sound old enough to grow up when our money was actually worth something. Maybe try using an inflation calculator to gain a little perspective.
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u/wamyen1985 3h ago
Sure, letās stop buying phones when every job has a required app that they expect you to have a smart phone for. Letās stop buying cars, when every American city has infrastructure that was specifically planned to force you to buy a car. You are either trolling, or incredibly naive.
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u/PlantRoomForHire 3h ago
You realize you can get a cheap phone and car right? Did you think that was a gotcha?
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u/wamyen1985 2h ago
A cheap car breaks and costs more money. And itās not usually small. Youāre talking about suspension, radiators and cooling systems, brakes, rotors, transmissions, timing beltsā¦. Yes itās a gotcha. Youāre spending money. Itās just a matter of whether youāre spending it up front, or later. And phones? Are you kidding me? Buddy Iām management. I need Teams, Excel, newer OSs that run whatever new gimmicky apps that my industry wants me to run on the fly. I just bought a tablet to run all of this because I wanted to downgrade to a dumb phone to reduce my screen time and it died in 4 months. So now I get to send it in. The cheap alternatives are just that. Cheap alternatives. They throw your life into chaos when they break, and theyāre usually not worth the trouble. But people expect me to spend my life perpetually chasing around fixes to my problems because the it crowd wants to feel exclusive with all their new shiny stuff.
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u/PlantRoomForHire 2h ago
Dude I've had a 2001Toyota Tundra for 8 years and never had any problems with it. No maintenance other than oil changes, tire rotations, and replacing the battery once the whole time. And I still have phones from 2016 that work just as good as the day I got them and would easily suit anyone's necessary requirements. Why do all you guys insist on wasting money? Blows my mind. Especially when you spend more than you can afford on luxury wants and then complain about struggling for rent.
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u/volatile_ant 2h ago
Out of curiosity, what did you pay for your Tundra? How many miles?
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u/PlantRoomForHire 1h ago
$4900 at the end of 2017. Definitely miss those gas prices though.
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u/volatile_ant 1h ago
Miles?
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u/PlantRoomForHire 1h ago
Close to 160k. At 270k now, still going strong. Couldn't ask for a more reliable vehicle. No computer systems to complicate things like modern cars.
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u/volatile_ant 7m ago
Cheapest ~17 year old Tundra (I widened the range to 2007-2009 to get additional hits) on AutoTrader right now is $3k at 253k miles, and the listing seems a bit dubious. For around $4,900, you have the option of 344k, 284k, or 326k miles. To get an example with only 165k miles, you're looking at $9,500.
Hell, you could probably sell your Tundra right now for more than you paid. Don't you think that is messed up?
As a gut-check, the inflation-adjusted purchasing power of $4,900 in 2017 would be $6,600 today (34.5% increase), but prices have actually increased 93.8% from 2017. Wages haven't kept up with inflation, let alone select markets like used cars that have absolutely exploded in price.
It's great that you got a great deal on a reliable vehicle 8 years ago, but don't confuse your past experience with how things are playing out today.
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u/wamyen1985 2h ago
No shit. Itās a Toyota. Even a 2001 would probably be ridiculously expensive in my area if I could even find one. People practically buy them sight unseen. They hold value. I also have a phone from 2016. Itās definitely starting to show its age. My Android s9 died last year after seven years and my boss gave me his wifeās old iPhone. Itās going to need to be upgraded eventually. Iām not rocking cutting edge electronics here
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u/Antrophis 2h ago
Cheap in this case still being like 500. Anything cheaper and you gonna spend more when it does quickly need replacement. Don't even talk about repair because they are explicitly designed to make that expensive.
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u/sleepy_seedy 3h ago
You got a link to these functioning cheap cars?
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u/PlantRoomForHire 2h ago
Why do you think it's so hard? Buy a 20 year old Honda civic or Camry. Extremely reliable and extremely affordable, compared to other vehicles. They will run like a dream. Spend 4k instead of 20k. Extremely simple.
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u/GrandOriginal9882 2h ago
Thts 15-20k for either option sir. 20k buys you what you think 4k does. That's the problem.
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u/PlantRoomForHire 2h ago
Dude. All you have to do is Google 2006 Toyota Camry and look at the prices. Literally hundreds for sale at 4 and 5k. Who the fuck spends 20k on an old used car unless it's a collectible?
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u/sleepy_seedy 2h ago
Why do you think this is so hard?
So either you've never struggled or you dont have the ability to empathize and put yourself in the position of someone struggling. May wanna bring that up with a shrink.
Extremely reliable and extremely affordable
YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS. You personally have ZERO clue whether someone's used 20-year-old Honda Civic is going to last 10 or 100k more miles. Just because a brand has the highest reliability rating absolutely does not mean that it will guaranteed function.
And if that $4000 is all you have to your name you are quite literally taking a gamble, a gamble that has the potential to keep you in debt in perpetuity.
Extremely simple.
Yes, yes you are.
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u/-Nok 3h ago
I've had the same phone since 2016 and the same car since 2010 š
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u/wamyen1985 2h ago
Me too. I have kids to feed. Cars to fix. Vet bills. Doctor bills. Debt due to an unplanned illness in my family. Every time I get a raise it just gets eaten up by some new imaginative way that the rich have found to exploit people. I havenāt enjoyed a purchase of something like a phone or a car or whatever since I became a dad. Itās just more 60-70 hour weeks Iām going to have to put in. More time from the family. More stress. But I canāt stop. Work expects me to be able to attend Teams meetings on my days off. My car is making a new fun grinding noise and if my family doesnāt have one working car my thirteen year old canāt get to the school they wanted to choice into that they are actually happy with. The three year old that weāre pretty sure has autism canāt make his appointments. My wife canāt make her PT appointments. The whole thing falls apart. So I get to suck it up and either fix the car myself, or pay someone a lot of money to do it for me.
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u/5NightsAtDiddys_ 3h ago
Ok and so everyone needs to follow you now? We donāt like old shit
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u/PlantRoomForHire 3h ago
Then be broke and struggle to live. At least you'll have the newest iPhone you needed so badly you dropped $1600 on it when you get evicted.
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u/raincoater 13m ago
Anymore? Bitch this has been my life for the past 60 years.