Why tf is everyone anti-sunscreen now???

[u/callsign__starbuck]

[u/shortercrust]

Lol at the last one, holding up a single individual who didn’t use sunscreen and didn’t get cancer as compelling evidence

[u/callsign__starbuck → u/shortercrust]

Remember when anecdotal evidence wasn’t taken seriously? 🥲😭

[u/johnnypalace → u/callsign__starbuck]

Well I know someone who never takes anecdotal evidence seriously, so I disagree with your point.

[u/Agitated-Canary9840 → u/johnnypalace]

I took anecdotal advice and now I have autism. Thanks Obama

[u/KoreanFriedWeiner → u/Agitated-Canary9840]

I was vaccinated against anecdotal evidence, and am now very confused.

[u/The-Original_Joker → u/KoreanFriedWeiner]

I am anecdotal evidence, and I just want to be taken seriously 🥺

[u/Acidelephant → u/Agitated-Canary9840]

I drank the anecdote, but the poison still spread

[u/blocked_user_name → u/Acidelephant]

I had a friend that was bit by a poisonous snake and he said quick get me an anecdote so I started telling a funny story... Any way he died

[u/ibuprophane → u/blocked_user_name]

If he hadn’t used sunscreen he might be still alive. Point proven

[u/ExplanationOverall83 → u/Acidelephant]

See that’s the problem. It’s a suppository.

[u/callsign__starbuck → u/johnnypalace]

Hahahahah

[u/kons21 → u/johnnypalace]

Well, I know one more person, so, I've just increased the validity of your statement by 100%.

[u/Nruggia → u/callsign__starbuck]

I know this one guy that has always taken anecdotal evidence seriously and it was very good or bad for him depending on the point I am trying to make.

[u/jamesvabrams → u/Nruggia]

He's now the Sec'y of Health and Human Services.

[u/No_Statement440 → u/jamesvabrams]

He sniffed anecdotes off toilet seats, so clearly anecdotes are healthy when used in the bathroom.

[u/gargoy1337 → u/Nruggia]

I know a guy who says he doesn’t take anecdotal evidence seriously but he 100% does! So not taking anecdotal evidence is clearly always a lie

[u/mastermalpass → u/gargoy1337]

I read about a 21 year old woman who suddenly died at festival after taking one anecdotal evidence, it’s not worth it guys.

[u/dcdcdani → u/shortercrust]

It’s like my mom saying my baby doesn’t need a car seat because she never used one with me and I didn’t die

[u/Findinganewnormal → u/dcdcdani]

My mom and her sister were pre-car seat babies. My aunt was in a fender bender when she was 2 and flew into the (very solid) dashboard. She went on to be an aerospace engineer and my mother went on to be, well, not. She’s one of those people who believes every conspiracy theory. 

So OBVIOUSLY our population would be much smarter if we ditched car seats and made sure every kid got a good head injury while young. 

That’s how this works, right?

[u/theSchrodingerHat → u/Findinganewnormal]

That’s not a fair comparison because your aunt got first-hand lab experience in proving several of Newton’s Laws of motion.

She was set up to succeed.

[u/spockspaceman → u/theSchrodingerHat]

You might say she got a crash course in physics.

[u/Nruggia → u/shortercrust]

Same people who go around in the winter saying "Huh, I think we were supposed to be having global warming *smug smirk*"

[u/AMoonIsAPlanet → u/Nruggia]

What "world hunger" I had tacos last night. /s

[u/zyrtec2014 → u/AMoonIsAPlanet]

Poor people should just be able to get a new job. I doubled my income by switching jobs in the last year /s

[u/ZombieAladdin → u/zyrtec2014]

Or move to a place with better opportunities. Or just go get a car! Me and everyone I know has a car.

[u/RedFoxBlueSocks → u/ZombieAladdin]

Just borrow a million from your dad to get your business started.

[u/Friendly-Channel-480 → u/RedFoxBlueSocks]

Then, borrow a lot more money repeatedly. It’s in his book…

[u/feldoneq2wire → u/ZombieAladdin]

They haven't been in a competitive workforce in 2 decades and think a firm handshake still gets you a job.

[u/FearanddopingII → u/feldoneq2wire]

Ah that's where you fucked up, you're supposed to look them in the eyes while giving a firm handshake! That's why you can't get a job!

[u/TheLORDthyGOD420 → u/FearanddopingII]

No, no, you have it all wrong. You give them a firm handshake, look them in they eyes and tell them you'll work harder than anyone else they've ever hired. Then they make you CEO and give you a four figure salary on the spot!

[u/FearanddopingII → u/TheLORDthyGOD420]

Also have to mention that you're a team player!

[u/TheLORDthyGOD420 → u/FearanddopingII]

Just keep a firm grip on that hand. Don't let go, and if the interviewer tries to pull away, pull them close and whisper in their ear "I'm a team player!". Thirty percent of the time it works, every time!

[u/feralcatshit → u/zyrtec2014]

Oh, hmm. It never occurred to me to just not be poor anymore! Thanks!

[u/stevet85 → u/AMoonIsAPlanet]

Every 60 seconds in Africa. 1 minute passes

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/Nruggia]

And seeing a crime happen in Europe "So this is what these socialist paradises we hear so much about are like"

[u/Substantial-Dust-232 → u/Nruggia]

"My political identity is based around disbelieving anything inconvenient for me"

[u/bendicott → u/Nruggia]

Seriously. The family of one of my high school friends were forced to sell their multi-generational orchard because the summers have become hot and dry enough that all of their fruit trees were dying. They still think global warming is a hoax.

[u/Saneless → u/shortercrust]

Advice from long lived people is always bullshit

Person 1: I never drank

Person 2: I had a glass of wine every night

Oh ok, glad we solved it

Shit over that long a period of time is tough to assess. But skin cancer is easy

Even if the sun never gave you skin cancer: sunburns are some of the most uncomfortable things your skin can go through without actually being burned by fire or chemicals

[u/Informal_Situation41 → u/Saneless]

Correct, I fell asleep by the pool in Spain as a child, worst sunburn ever! Ruined the rest of the holiday for everyone as mum or dad had to stay at hotel with me as I couldn’t go out 😩

[u/boldpear904 → u/shortercrust]

they dont realize how stupid it is. my mom used to smoke for 20 years and she never got lung cancer! therefore cigarettes dont cause lung cancer!!1!!

[u/PhrygianSounds → u/boldpear904]

My mom is unvaccinated and she brags about how she’s never gotten measles and I’m like mayyyybe it’s because your whole life you’ve lived in a herd-immune community where 99% of the population is vaccinated, so chances are you’ve just never been exposed to it.. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/bionicjoe → u/PhrygianSounds]

I never got the flu shot.
My wife is a nurse and it is required and she always got the kids one.
This last year we missed it somehow. My youngest is in high school still and got the flu.
We all got it, except my wife.
Our elderly aunt had to go to the hospital.

I'm getting the flu shot. It was worse than Covid. I've never been so sick.

I was never against vaccines. I just hadn't had a flu shot in 30+ years.
Never got exposed to it in the last 20 probably, and when I did get it in my 20s it was probably easier to fight off.

Vaccines are one of the great inventions in the history of mankind.

[u/KindCompetence → u/bionicjoe]

Actual influenza is no joke. People call a bad cold the flu, and lots of people think that’s how it is. It is not.

[u/pyrodice → u/PhrygianSounds]

The weirdest one I know is how my mother has never experienced chicken pox, despite being exposed to her sister and both kids getting it. My bet is she had an asymptomatic case, but that's weird too.

[u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 → u/pyrodice]

Well she'll know when she gets shingles later in life & thinks she's gonna die from the pain.

[u/EdenSilver113 → u/RogerClyneIsAGod2]

My husband has a terrible case of post shingles neuralgia. It’s been six years and sometimes it still is ON FIRE. When things are stressful and he gets a flare up I feel so sad for him.

[u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 → u/EdenSilver113]

My aunt had them & still has numb spots on her torso from it.

We're all vaccinated now though.

[u/Oh_Sole_Mio → u/RogerClyneIsAGod2]

I have recurring shingles and am grateful that kids today are vaccinated against chicken pox. Makes me feel like at least ine thing will be better for them in the future 😅

[u/EnoughLuck3077 → u/RogerClyneIsAGod2]

Had chicken pox as a kid. I got shingles at 35. It’s not always that much later in life.

[u/PinkPencils22 → u/RogerClyneIsAGod2]

I keep trying to get my very busy husband to go get the shot(s). He keeps putting it off. I'm thinking of making an appt for him at CVS, getting him in a headlock, and getting it done. Or do you think the pharmacist might object to vaccinating a guy in a headlock? I used to have to do that to my kid when she was young.

[u/transmogrified → u/PhrygianSounds]

I know a super kooky anti-vax hippie who loves to brag on social media about how her un-vaxxed "Indigo Children" never get sick and have strong natural immune systems and are just SO WISE for their age. Apparently since she did a ton of ayahuasca while pregnant they're special kids with supernatural tendencies who vibrate on a higher frequency... the kids are insufferable little twerps

What she doesn't know is her ex husband (split custody) kept up with their vaccine schedules.

[u/neoliberalforsale → u/shortercrust]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7t5UjhZ5dIx0sHuFQw

[u/SemiNormal → u/neoliberalforsale]

This plane clearly has sunburn.

[u/OSCgal → u/shortercrust]

No kidding! And here I know a guy who was a roofer in his young days and as a result got skin cancer on his face.

[u/Guinho_VHS2 → u/shortercrust]

They also say it like cancer is the only damge the sun causes. There's also photoaging, hyperpigmentation and formation of sun spots on the skin. The sun is necessary for mood, alertness and vitamin D production, but we also need to moderate the exposure and we don't need that long of an exposure to enjoy the health benefits. Sunscreen for life.

Also, sunscreen doesn't block all UV radiation. An SPF of 15 will block about 93% of UV radiation, and SPF of 30 blocks about 97%. That small amount of UV is still enough for vitamin D production.

UV light is divided in UVA, UVB and UVC. UVC is totally blocked by the ozone layer. UVA is the one that tans, and it can still cause damage. UVB is the one that causes sunburns and the one that takes part in vitamin D production.

[u/Canthinkofnameee → u/shortercrust]

A friend of mine is an alcoholic, always brought up how a lot of people 80+ drank and smoked all their lives and were healthy.

Dude is having liver problems at 36 and sounds like he’s dying when he wakes up in the middle of the night. I assume from the combination of smoking a pack a day.

He finally cut back on drinking but still starts way to early

[u/MortimerShade → u/Canthinkofnameee]

Survivorship bias, I guess.
He's only seeing the old drunks because the other drunks in that age cohort died when he was a child.

[u/JealousAstronomer342 → u/Canthinkofnameee]

I had liver problems at 36, almost died at 37 and got sober at 38. Hope your friend is able to stop too. 

[u/coffeebuzzbuzzz → u/shortercrust]

Yea but saying "who cares what his skin looks like" implies he's probably leathery. I for one *do* care what my skin looks like, so yea going to keep wearing that sunscreen.

[u/TheGuyYouHeardAbout → u/shortercrust]

Thats a classic. They do the same with smoking. "My grandmas 91 and she has smoked a pack a day her whole life!"

[u/Overall_Occasion_175]

Because any shame people once felt about announcing their stupidity to the world has gone out the window

[u/OwlSoggy8627 → u/Overall_Occasion_175]

I remember a time when my father, he was in his 40s at the time, said something incredibly stupid in front of my grandfather while he was living with my grandparents after his divorce.

It was some light version of "Yeah, but Hitler did good stuff for the economy" or something. My grandfather, smacked him in the back of the head and told him to leave the table and come back when he wasn't so fucking stupid.

After my grandfather died, which happened to coincide with my dad getting on Facebook, suddenly the stupid went unfiltered.

[u/Beneneb → u/OwlSoggy8627]

Your grandfather sounds like he was awesome.

[u/LtPowers → u/Beneneb]

Granddad probably fought in WWII.

[u/Lost_Birthday_3138 → u/LtPowers]

My first thought too

[u/MaddyMagpies → u/OwlSoggy8627]

It's interesting to think that that boomers' concept of freedom of speech might just be their stupid rebellion against their own parents.

[u/miseducation → u/MaddyMagpies]

they also grew up during an insane economic boom with almost no global competition and tend to think they were responsible for it. it takes uncommon sympathy and honestly constant checking yourself to recognize when circumstances are more responsible for someone's outcomes than their talent or effort.

I try to check myself for any built an resentfulness as I age but you can't say that's important to everyone lol

[u/FuzzyLantern → u/miseducation]

I had a class in grad school that the semester takeaway was basically how much luck, not skill, is involved in most success. The trick is to be good enough at what you do so you're as well prepared as possible to recognize the luck in the opportunity presenting itself so you know what to do with it, and that is where skill mostly comes in. I'd honestly never thought much about it prior to that, and it explained a lot, because every company leader I ever worked for thought they were the best and responsible for all their own success, even when their decisions were regularly... lacking. The luck might even just be being born into privilege. Anyway, those arrogant leaders were all boomer age.

[u/KananJarrusCantSee → u/OwlSoggy8627]

Have you considered smacking your dad and telling him he can get back on the Internet when he isn't so fucking stupid?

Empirical evidence suggests this could fix the problem

[u/Gimme_Your_Wallet → u/OwlSoggy8627]

I'm sorry to hear that =/

[u/Ananeos → u/OwlSoggy8627]

Actually it's starting to sound to me that this all started when the parents of boomers started dying.

[u/CountAnt_ → u/Ananeos]

My MIL and FIL are elder Gen X'ers and my GIL is elder Boomer. My GIL is the only person stopping my MIL/FIL from just being complete hateful morons because she's the only one who can successfully call out the worst of it.

[u/Human-Abrocoma7544 → u/Overall_Occasion_175]

People feel like they are smarter than the rest of society when they believe conspiracy theories.

[u/Overall_Occasion_175 → u/Human-Abrocoma7544]

Something I read as a comment once that I can't stop thinking about... "These people view education as a scam they avoided rather than a goal they failed to achieve." They see folks believing experts as just buying into the scam and the experts as perpetrators of it. That's why they're so smug about their blatantly wrong views. 

[u/RemoteRide6969 → u/Overall_Occasion_175]

Oooh that's legit. Some people are just incapable of looking inward it seems. Like they can't question their own abilities.

[u/Airalla → u/Overall_Occasion_175]

Don’t you just love anonymity and a lack of consequences ☺️

[u/CastleElsinore → u/Overall_Occasion_175]

I miss the era where being intelligent and well spoken was a requirement. Understanding before speaking.

When reading up on an issue was more important then a blast 120 second video shoved in your face by The Algorithm

[u/AmputeeHandModel → u/Overall_Occasion_175]

and they are reactionary to like.. every single thing they are told to do. Wear a mask? NO!!! Get vaccinated? NO!!! Stay home? NO!!! Recycle? NO!!! Wear sunscreen? NO!!!! What's next? They'll refuse to wash their hands or cover their sneezes or shit in a toilet? DEMOCRATS WANT TO COLLECT YOUR POOP DNA!! BURY IT IN YOUR BACK YARD!!

[u/ClioCalliope]

Everything's a conspiracy now. We're gonna circle back to a 50-ish life expectancy through sheer stupidity.

[u/helmsb → u/ClioCalliope]

Everything is a conspiracy when you don’t know how anything works.

[u/shoeperson → u/helmsb]

I feel super bad for gen Z and gen A. Conspiratorial thinking and online propaganda wars have been the norm for them their entire lives. So no wonder they're absolutely fucked.

[u/cbstuart → u/shoeperson]

Hey! Not all of us! First half of Gen Z still grew up before phones and social media were common from a young age so we made it out of all that fuckery. Plus, I'm just beginning to think that regardless of age, an overwhelming amount of people are stupid and when given access to the internet will find ways to reinforce their stupidity rather than learn lol.

[u/F4tcat69 → u/cbstuart]

Yep! I’m one of them

[u/Vivid-Language6522 → u/ClioCalliope]

These kids UV maxxing will be lucky to reach that.... if they do their skin will look like hell

[u/AccordingSetting6311 → u/Vivid-Language6522]

WTF is UV Maxxing? Why the hell is everything maxxing these days anyway?  I play the piano an hour a day and drink way too much. Am I Piano and Drunk Maxxing?  

Am I out of touch? No! It's the children who are wrong.

[u/OccamsEpee → u/AccordingSetting6311]

Mf's out here beethovenmaxxing

[u/JeromeMetronome → u/OccamsEpee]

Masterbaching

[u/NaraFei_Jenova → u/JeromeMetronome]

Always finish on de Bach, never finish on Debussy

[u/Habltual_Linestepper → u/NaraFei_Jenova]

That's backwards, you should always finish in Debussy

[u/SnooHobbies5684 → u/NaraFei_Jenova]

This is disgusting and low and genius. Take my hella angry upvote.

[u/TheTreeSnuggler → u/JeromeMetronome]

Oh yes. This is why I have Reddit still.

[u/MechanicalTurkish → u/OccamsEpee]

And here I am on reddit shitpostmaxxing

[u/runningoutofnames57 → u/AccordingSetting6311]

They watch the UV index and go outside tanning on the highest UV days. It’s sounds like skin cancer maxxxing to me

[u/panicnarwhal → u/runningoutofnames57]

wtf. i can’t believe we’ve already circled back to idiots frying in the sun

[u/2Braincell2Furious → u/panicnarwhal]

Not too long ago, people were tannin’ their taints.

[u/AmIYourNeighbor → u/2Braincell2Furious]

Did anyone see the episode of Last Week Tonight that talked about this? It was about how “news” channels would sell time to just about anything and anyone.

[u/GlowingTrashPanda → u/2Braincell2Furious]

I kinda think they still are

[u/MechanicalTurkish → u/panicnarwhal]

My grandmother spent a lifetime sunbathing without sunscreen and her skin looked like leather.

[u/Diligent-Bluejay-979 → u/MechanicalTurkish]

My 90-year-old mom grew up without sunscreen. She’s had three melanomas on her face (Mohs surgery is awesome but painful), and just had a large one on her scalp surgically removed. Not to mention the numerous basal cell cancers she’s had elsewhere on her body. She wears SPF 50 every.damn.day now, but the damage was already done.

[u/patchworkpirate → u/AccordingSetting6311]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lSDFetrqeeY0rCi3Ss

I'm with you, though.

[u/zombiegamer723 → u/AccordingSetting6311]

“I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was! Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems weird and scary to me! It’ll happen to YOU!”

The older I get, the more Grandpa Simpson’s line hits home lmao

[u/LL4892 → u/AccordingSetting6311]

The “maxxing” trend is just a stupid fad… hopefully it’ll die soon like all the others

[u/LogicBalm → u/LL4892]

It won't die until all us old folks embrace it. Or when it ends up in a country song.

[u/Charming-Clue1987 → u/LogicBalm]

Country song?   You mean whinemaxxing

[u/Little_View_6659 → u/Vivid-Language6522]

Hopefully they’ll stop in adulthood. I grew up in the tanning age when we grilled ourselves like ahi tuna every summer. I’m fifty four and have avoided tanning since I was in my twenties but still have some sun damage and now regularly go to the dermatologist. So far so good. 😬

[u/A_Downboat_Is_A_Sub → u/Little_View_6659]

I grew up in the 80's. We had selective sunscreen at home, what that means is stuff only for your nose and other bits that would would look bad if you got a sunburn. There was also tanning oil to put on for everywhere else.

[u/OrganicHistorian2576 → u/A_Downboat_Is_A_Sub]

My mom was a believer in sunblock n the 80s. We even had the really strong stuff, SPF 8!

[u/astrangeone88 → u/Vivid-Language6522]

Lmao. Im an elder millennial, nothing like overly tanned middle aged women extolling the benefits of tanning booths. They all looked like leather bags and had 1000 skin issues.

[u/Altruistic_Shame8979 → u/Vivid-Language6522]

I literally cannot tell if you’re joking with UVmaxxing or not

[u/CaffeinatedLystro → u/ClioCalliope]

Honestly, good. Those people who fall for dumb shit deserve it.

[u/Chaos-Cortex → u/CaffeinatedLystro]

https://giphy.com/gifs/VFAke5Xm1TDwjgimyW

[u/MrScrodoBaggins → u/Chaos-Cortex]

The problem is they will live long enough to reproduce and teach their kids the same kind of stuff. So natural selection unfortunately won’t work here

[u/crayolakym → u/MrScrodoBaggins]

And live long enough to end up getting skin cancer but blame vaccines and chem trails, and then under go long expensive cancer treatment, complain what a financial burden the treatment is and how they shouldn't have to pay so much when they already pay high premiums and deductables but all them illegals get free medical (which they don't), and then live another 20+ years. They are also voters.

[u/Orinaj → u/MrScrodoBaggins]

Eh, if it goes long enough it will.

In the most morbid outlook, natural selection taking multiple generations to work these people will have less and less kids because of a long list of health related reasons, and their kids will die young because they refuse to have them vaccinated, wear sunscreen, wear seat belts, have phones for emergencies ect whatever rediculous thing they do to endanger their kids they will disguise it as being intelligent. Eventually if things occured naturally they'd die out.

Fortunately (?) our Healthcare and social saftey nets are good enough to keep these people and their children atleast alive.

[u/sidneyia → u/MrScrodoBaggins]

Plus, kids whose parents withhold sunscreen because of "chemicals" are going to get cancer and possibly die through no fault of their own. Same goes with vaccines, where it's not just antivaxxers themselves but their kids and other innocent people in the community who will suffer.

I'm not a fan of the "Darwinism in action" response to science denial. Humans evolved to take care of each other (to some extent, at least) and science denial undermines this instinct. If one wants to appeal to nature, the most "natural" thing is using the most effective tools to look after our sick and injured.

[u/pulpfriction4 → u/CaffeinatedLystro]

If it was only them it would be one thing but their stupidity usually puts everyone else in danger

[u/Spencer94 → u/CaffeinatedLystro]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7TKrwrcGa7xFAcw0

[u/Ready_Set_Stopppp → u/CaffeinatedLystro]

The only issue I have with that is anti-vaxxers. Kids should not pay the price, including paying the ultimate price, for their parents’ stupidity. If your kid dies from an avoidable disease like mumps, polio, measles or rubella, your ass should be thrown in jail for manslaughter.

[u/CaffeinatedLystro → u/Ready_Set_Stopppp]

I absolutely agree.

[u/EarthEmpress → u/CaffeinatedLystro]

Honestly i just worry about their kids. These poor kids are gonna suffer bc of their parents stupid decisions

[u/strutt3r → u/CaffeinatedLystro]

My grandma listened to scientists and she still died. She was only 97

[u/ThatFatGuyMJL → u/ClioCalliope]

Weirdly I've seen anti sunscreen mentality in quite a few black groups and communities.

Many of them are convinced they can't tan/get cancer/get sunburn due to being black.

Which is just... wrong.

[u/ElegantHope → u/ClioCalliope]

anti-intellectualism is all the rage and it's fueled by people who have money to make from people being paranoid and misinformed.

[u/Excellent_Neat_9432 → u/ClioCalliope]

Everything is a conspiracy when you don't know how things work. Seriously, the backward-ass thinking is making my brain hurt. Definitely not the sunscreen.

[u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

Part of it is bot fueled amplifying of messages.

Gotta love the whole premise that skin cancer rates went up since sunscreen! Completely unrelated to better screening though. We should go back to when people just suddenly wasted away and died for "no" reason /s

[u/lordbeepworth → u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

"before the invention of electricity the rate of power outages was zero"

[u/Successful_Sign_6991 → u/lordbeepworth]

Covid cases can't exist if you stop testing for it.

Same venn diagram of people.

[u/skwiddee → u/Successful_Sign_6991]

lol literally this. my brother in law had it a few weeks ago and had to cancel my nephews birthday party (he’s 2 so he wasn’t disappointed) and my mom was like “he just shouldn’t have tested” 🙃🫠

[u/snootnoots → u/skwiddee]

Ah yes, it would have been much better if he’d just spread it to a whole bunch of people! 🙄

Speaking as an immunocompromised person who managed to avoid catching Covid until last year by turning into a hermit, because my doctors warned me that we wouldn’t be able to tell if the vaccines worked on me until I caught it and found out if I died, your mother is dangerous.

[u/goldensunshine429 → u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

Also worth the mention that fashion, skintone, and/or “modesty” in culture has changed a lot in a relatively short time. Examples:

• 100 years ago showing your knees was scandalous for women.
• Bikinis were scandalous or at least noteworthy swimwear until like the 60s?
• (hazy on specifics) something about coco Chanel going to the south of France and coming back with a tan and it became Trendy for the rich to be tan rather than alabaster from being kept out of the sun

[u/callsign__starbuck → u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

Yeah did you know that when people didn’t have vaccines or sunscreen and ate only like fuckin wheat and deer meat the rate of cancer diagnoses was zero 😱

[u/BreadKnifeSeppuku → u/callsign__starbuck]

Big if true. Maybe I should rewatch those videos about sunning my bum. I knew that pharmacist was selling me snake oil for some tetanus shot nonsense!

[u/Fast_n_theSpurious → u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

I prefer to absorb moonlight through my ass, since the moon filters out the harsh chemicals.

[u/jcrc → u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

Also tanning beds! At least where I grew up. The 2000s were an era of looking at orange as possible. And now thanks to the big stupid bill that passed you get a tax break for having a tanning bed. I refuse to believe these two things aren’t related.

[u/Corfal → u/BreadKnifeSeppuku]

It's also a delayed effect. Sunscreen became more prevalent in the past 40 some years. So all those people older than 50 are now getting melanoma or other skin cancers while those in their thirties and younger hopefully will see the long term benefits.

Slight tangent but part of the reason why people compared "30 year olds then and now" and comment on how people look different... well one of those factors is sunscreen application

[u/PiLamdOd]

To be fair, the long sleeves comment isn't wrong. So long as your sleeves block UV, it's better than sunscreen that needs to be reapplied every two hours.

[u/AtomicPeng → u/PiLamdOd]

And much better for the environment at the same time, especially if you're at the beach.

[u/warrior_female → u/AtomicPeng]

mineral sunscreen (zinc and/or titanium dioxide) is reef safe (and regarded as safer for pregnancy), chemical uv blockers are the ones damaging to the ocean

[u/Altruistic_Shame8979 → u/warrior_female]

Reef safe is more of a marketing term than a scientific status - less damage, yes, but I don’t think we can say no damage 

[u/ColdRamen310 → u/AtomicPeng]

Look into mineral suncreen! It doesn't have those chemicals that are bad for the ocean and offers better protection. Only downside is it stays on white on your skin

[u/Express-Welder9003 → u/PiLamdOd]

I'm pretty inconsistent at using sunscreen to begin with and almost never reapply so long sleeves or arm covers are my preferred solution.

[u/Im_Balto → u/PiLamdOd]

When I was doing field work in utah, all of my peers were using various amounts of sunscreen, meanwhile I took a page out of the way people dress in the desert and just covered up.

The main downside of sunscreen is forgetting to reapply, and when we are out in direct sun for 6+ hours (not summer) people just forget. I was the only one without a lobster tan back at camp

[u/twstdbydsn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohA2UwGks53B1FVjq

[u/Strict-Profit7624 → u/twstdbydsn]

[u/Confident-Skin-6462 → u/twstdbydsn]

it's this

[u/people_are_idiots_ → u/twstdbydsn]

Not all, but definitely more than some.

[u/sacredfool → u/twstdbydsn]

Obama wore a tan suit though. How do you think the suit got tan though?!? By not wearing sunscreen, obviously.

[u/patchworkpirate]

*stares in melanoma research scientist* I have enough fucking work right now, thanks. Wear your SPF!!!

Edit: While melanoma is rare (5% of skin cancers), it's sadly the most aggressive form of skin cancer because it metastasizes like crazy if not caught early (esp. to the brain) and outlook is typically poor.

[u/brevebelle → u/patchworkpirate]

As a melanoma survivor (it was stage "in situ," caught 21 years ago, no recurrences), you're the fucking best. I appreciate you and all of your contributions! <3

[u/patchworkpirate → u/brevebelle]

I'm so glad it was caught early! No recurrences is even better!

[u/SadLilBun → u/patchworkpirate]

My best friend was diagnosed with skin cancer at 14 years old. He died at 19 from related complications, a month after having hip surgery because it had metastasized to his bones. He died six weeks before he turned 20. He was fine, and then he got sick and he was not fine. And then he was dead. Instead of his birthday party, I went to his memorial celebration. And it took me hours to actually make it inside of the room because I went alone and could not stop crying and it was the last place I wanted to be.

I’ve lived 16 years without him and it’s unbelievable that’s he’s been dead almost as long as he was alive, now.

Those people can get fucked.

[u/patchworkpirate → u/SadLilBun]

I am so sorry for the loss of your best friend. Stories like these is why I do what I do.

[u/Vvette45 → u/patchworkpirate]

My friends daughter died at 29 years old from melanoma. That hit me hard and reminded me why sunscreen is so important. She didn't even get to see her kid grow up. 

[u/rhymeasaurus → u/Vvette45]

My sister died from melanoma at 28 with two young daughters. It's tragic. I'm sorry for your loss.

[u/patchworkpirate → u/rhymeasaurus]

I am so sorry for both of your losses.

[u/Visible-Meeting-8977]

People are stupid man I don't know what to tell you

[u/Electronic_Jacket947 → u/Visible-Meeting-8977]

Scary to think of all the people dragging IQ scores down. Scarier to think we have given them echo chambers and megaphones.

[u/dasher2581 → u/Electronic_Jacket947]

And Cabinet positions.

[u/cupholdery → u/Visible-Meeting-8977]

Believe in flat earth. Refuse vaccines. Drink raw cow milk. Just add another thing.

[u/StandardEgg6595 → u/cupholdery]

Hey, it’s not just raw milk. We’re doing raw meat in a mason jar too now!

I wish I was kidding…

[u/Ok-Ice-9151 → u/StandardEgg6595]

It’s even worse, there’s fermented (rotting) meat and they call it high meat.

[u/MechanicalTurkish → u/Ok-Ice-9151]

I’ve heard of this. It sounds like fucking satire (high meat???) but it’s not lol

[u/WilmaDykfyt → u/cupholdery]

I think a lot of it is foreign bots.

[u/Electronic_Jacket947 → u/WilmaDykfyt]

At this point in America, it’s probably a good idea to start a bot farm that’s pro-science and evidence based practices.

[u/AdScared7949]

Man thats crazy because the whole reason people in old pics look super old for their age is lack of sunscreen + cigarettes lol

[u/SpanishFlamingoPie → u/AdScared7949]

"My mom says that men that look like you have either had too much sun, or too much to drink."

-Kid from Waterworld

[u/Solid_Reserve_5941 → u/AdScared7949]

Lol my grandma was born in 1929 and always looked very good for her age. If anyone asked her for her secret, she'd say it's because she didn't smoke, rarely drank, and always wore sunscreen. She passed the knowledge to my mom, who in turn instilled that into me and my siblings at a young age. I wasn't allowed to leave the house without being slathered in sunscreen haha

[u/TurkGonzo75 → u/AdScared7949]

I'm seeing a lot more people smoking these days too. I was at a brew pub a couple of weeks ago and there was a guy just puffing away on a busy patio. I thought "are were back to this now?"

[u/ShutYourDumbUglyFace → u/TurkGonzo75]

Cigarettes are so making a comeback in media. It's gross.

Funny, though, I asked my husband recently: "If we cured cancer, would everyone start smoking and tanning again?" And clearly the answer is yes because people are starting to do those things without having cured cancer.

[u/zucchinibasement → u/ShutYourDumbUglyFace]

Cigarette companies should just cure cancer

[u/Unifiedxchaos → u/TurkGonzo75]

A brewery patio seems like a pretty normal place to smoke. If the brewery allows it.

[u/Zn_G_]

shark attacks also dramatically increase when people start eating ice cream. That means ice cream causes shark attacks.

[u/Total-Sector850 → u/Zn_G_]

I love a good false causation.

[u/ThisIsSpata → u/Total-Sector850]

Spurious correlations

[u/Fast_n_theSpurious → u/ThisIsSpata]

You called?

[u/The_Perfect_Fart → u/Zn_G_]

Now that you mention sharks, a lot of shark attack victims wear sunscreen too...

[u/Blueberry_Conscious_]

What?! I'm Australian. Would you like to hear about the skin cancer surgeries of everyone in my family over 60? They don't remove a mole, they remove whole chunks of flesh. Skin cancer is an agonizing death. Always wear a reputable sunscreen.

[u/dagger-mmc → u/Blueberry_Conscious_]

Yeah my mom just had to have 2 melanoma spots removed and it was brutal, I now have her on a strict fancy Korean sunscreen regimen lol

[u/patchworkpirate → u/Blueberry_Conscious_]

Yep, gotta get the margins. If they margins aren't clear, they gotta cut more and more until it gets to that point.

[u/youarelookingatthis]

I said this on another sub earlier this week: the problem these days is that pre-internet your village idiot and my village idiot didn't know about each other. Now with the internet all of our village idiots have a global platform to spread their stupidity.

[u/JustAnother4848 → u/youarelookingatthis]

Those two idiots also have bots and foreign actors telling them they're smart.

[u/thehaulofhorror]

My brother was diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma cancer 10 years ago - specifically due to sun burns.

He’s a medical miracle and went from 3 months to live, to now living clean/in remission still.

TL;DR: WEAR FUCKIN SUNSCREEN.

[u/Dry-Discipline-2525]

Not everyone, just idiots

[u/Psyche-Mary-Wait → u/Dry-Discipline-2525]

Right? Don’t drag ME down with all those idiots

[u/KitsBeach]

I can give you an actual answer.

Some studies are showing that CHEMICAL sunscreen can pass through the skin barrier and enter the bloodstream. The implications of this aren't too well-known yet. But people don't like the idea of using a product that we may find down the line can cause health issues, even when current status quo believes it to be safe (one recent example being thalidomide, so its not a completely baseless concern). 

HOWEVER, there are non-chemical sunscreens, like zinc or titanium based sunscreens, that are valid alternatives. But some people won't even trust those. 

I do feel bad for people who have had a hell of a time with the medical system and it results in broad mistrust across the board. But to then jump ship and to start trusting random internet influencers/things you read in the comments section of a video over science is kinda wild.

[u/NoTeslaForMe → u/KitsBeach]

It's insisting that something that's been safely used for generations be "proven" safe in spite of no evidence of harm because of something that sounds harmful if you don't stop to think.  That used to be a left-wing, anti-science, anti-corporate thing, but COVID and MAHA has made it bipartisan in the worst possible way.

I myself even switched to titanium/zinc just to be safe... and now there are titanium oxide stains all over my car from daring to touch anything the same day I put on sunscreen.  Others might not want to literally go whiteface for sun protection.  So that titanium alternative isn't for everyone.

[u/Alivaronas]

I’ll never forget going to Six Flags with my in-laws and them shaming me for using Hawaiian Tropic sunscreen.

Skin cancer runs in my family, I absolutely lather that shit on every hour and a half on every millimeter of exposed skin. They were shaming me for not just using their 1oz bottle of mineral sunscreen only on my face like they do.

[u/laneedgaf]

“just don’t fry yourselves” brother i burn in less than 10 minutes in the direct sunlight, im better off using sunscreen that has a little cancer product in it bro

[u/Murky_Activity9796]

I suppose this strategy works if you live in a place where your skin was designed to be in. For example, a person of Northern European ancestry
living in the scorching hot sun of Australia will not fare too well without sunscreen.

[u/GABE_EDD]

If I had to guess a lot of people started doing it as a joke, and then a lot of people on the left side of the bell curve started thinking they were serious and started spreading this "new found information" to others seriously. I believe this is how a LOT of things like this get started.

[u/Dahren_ → u/GABE_EDD]

That's how the flat-earth thing started

[u/GABE_EDD → u/Dahren_]

I have a co-worker who legitimately thinks that “chemtrails” are being made by planes because “they” are trying to make it rain. And he gets like actually upset/annoyed when he sees them outside. I’ve questioned him about it quite a bit at this point and I don’t think it’s a joke, he seems completely serious :/

[u/NotUrReaIDad]

Because they’re too busy shoving coffee into their buttholes.

[u/AlternativePerspecti]

Easy on the "Everyone is stupid" pedal. In the early 2010s there were widely published studies that found many sunscreens had a form of vitamin A that actually caused tumour development (in mice).

This resulted in reforms to chemical laws and changes in the industry.

There were later also concerns regarding the effects of sunscreen on coral reefs. Again, resulting in bans and changes to the industry.

Finally, recently Benzene has been found in a significant number of products due to the manufacturing processes.

So, sunscreen is better than no sunscreen, but these concerns weren't born out of nowhere. And there was a genuine "wild west" period in the industry that needed correction. While I use sunscreen, I'm also fully expecting another major problem to be discovered again.

[u/soliloquising → u/AlternativePerspecti]

The Benzene is not in the sunscreen itself, but it is a contamination in the butane that is now used as a propellant in spray-on sunscreen itself. You could literally buy the exact same formula in a non spray-on form next to it and there would be no benzene. Still not a good thing, but an extra paranoia for sprays post freon days.

[u/Gurkeprinsen]

My brother did actual research and found that it was highly carcinogenic,

When I asked him how he did that research, he answered "chatGPT"

And yes, same guy is an avid flat earther, antivaxx, MAGA(not even american or have ever been to america, but okay), and tried to convince me that the moon landing was fake

[u/memorod]

4th comment is right btw. The fieldworkers I see all use long sleeves and cover their face. Ideally a combination of long sleeves and full spectrum facial sunscreen plus pants.

[u/AnonymousAlice- → u/memorod]

Am a fieldworker, can confirm. UV clothing is great because you don’t need to re-apply. Still need to protect your scalp, hands, neck and face though! We learn very quickly the hard way being in the sun all day.

[u/the_couch_monster]

I had a basal cell carcinoma - I will keep using sunscreen, thank you. 😂

[u/Alone-Acanthaceae320]

I will say I do try to just avoid being in the sun vs slathering on sunscreen. But it’s more of a laziness/sensory thing for me. Like I’d rather take my kids to run around the beach at 6pm vs noon